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Morgenstern's Galgenlieder in "The Fat Abbot" - Printer's Error, Nachdichtungen

Dear Ladies and Gentlemen, It think it is possible - at least highly likely by sense in my opinion - that "The Shark" (Lettvin's Nachdichtung after Morgenstern's "Der Hecht" contains a printer's error and Arian is meant (the deviation from the German is too great - these are really Nachdichtungen, interpretations, to settle it from that source), i.e. a Christian heretic who denies the divinity of Christ (just as a Pelagian is a Christian heretic who denies the necessity of grace for salvation - the pun on 'pelagic' is outside my scope), for an Aryan is merely one of the Indo-Germanic or Caucasian race, which has no bearing whatever on the poem.

I might also suggest a note be made of just how free Lettvin is - if we take the German text, the liberties are so considerable it is really a kindred poem in my inexpert eyes rather than a translation - even the setting goes from pool or pond to sea and the fish from pike to shark. If recollections a year old are of any value, there are yet other liberties in the translations of the other pieces so I would suggest marking them as Nachdichtungen and explaining what a Nachdichtung is.

2A00:23C6:C088:A000:9F4:9FF2:24C7:7788 (talk) 20:52, 19 June 2021 (UTC) Patrick JK Gray

This is about Galgenlieder. As I said almost two years ago, you are probably right about Aryan vs Arian, but we can only report what is in reliable sources. The Galgenlieder page is in need of some TLC, sourcing, and some English analysis. --Kusma (talk) 13:19, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

Translation of eco - Verband der Internetwirtschaft to the English-language Wikipedia

Hi. Any native German speakers willing to take a crack at translating the quite-substantial de:eco - Verband der Internetwirtschaft over to the draft/stub Draft:Eco_-_Association_of_the_Internet_Industry? There are at least two English-language articles for which it's red-linked: DE-CIX and Quad9#Sony_Music_Injunction. I don't speak German and I'm not that familiar with the German Internet industry, so I've probably taken it as far as it's useful for me to do. Once there's a decent translation up in draft form, I'll be happy to take it through the new-article-proposal process, though. Thanks for considering. EVhotrodder (talk) 13:53, 21 June 2021 (UTC)

I started translating and did some other work on your draft, most importantly linking the associated legal registry entries for such a lobby group, but otherwise the (German) sources are badly lacking: It's all eco describing themselves. Before a further translation effort makes sense, we'd need more reliable sources. -- (talk) 22:24, 23 June 2021 (UTC)

Discussion of interest

This discussion may be of interest to members of this Project. Beyond My Ken (talk) 05:02, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Death of Oury Jalloh

I've done some work on this article in the last week, first establishing a well-referenced retelling of the circumstances of Jalloh's death. I then moved to the chronology of investigations and court cases and got to the 2011 - 2012 retrial verdict.
Right now, I'm ambitiously working on a chronology of the whole time span from 2007 until now, mainly translating from the well-researched German WP article, but also looking for English language sources, whereever possible.

I would be glad for any help with translating, checking and adding sources, and general copyediting.
You can find (and edit) the current draft in my Sandbox -- (talk) 13:19, 3 July 2021 (UTC)

Bring in line with other countries

Most (if not all) of the international parliamentary election articles, have at the bottom prime minister before election & prime minister after election. Perhaps we can add this to the West German & (post unification) German general election articles, changing the Cabinet to Chancellor. GoodDay (talk) 03:07, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

The problem with this is that elections do not, strictly speaking, determine the Chancellor, just the composition of the Bundestag, and the chancellor is then determined after lengthy coalition talks. The chancellor after the election is essentially always the same as before the election, continuing as a caretaker until a new chancellor has been determined by the Bundestag. For a recent example with complications, see 2019 Thuringian state election: Bodo Ramelow was minister-president before the elections, and was expected to win the vote in parliament despite not having a majority of any kind, but Thomas Kemmerich, the candidate of the smallest party in parliament became minister-president instead, which caused a massive scandal, and he resigned soon after without having even formed a government. See 2020 Thuringian government crisis for the details. Now Bodo Ramelow is prime minister again without a new parliament. --Kusma (talk) 08:46, 6 July 2021 (UTC)
Notification can be add where required, see 2017 British Columbia general election article. GoodDay (talk) 14:05, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Help finding a German language source

Hi, I'm looking for a source to confirm that Alica Schmidt has been selected for the German 4 x 400 metres relay team for the 2020 Summer Olympics. None of the English language sources for this meet the definition of a reliable source, as they're all tabloid newspapers or websites copying those newspapers. Would a German speaker be able to look through German language news sites and see if you can find a reliable source for this? My German is not good enough for this task, unfortunately, and there doesn't seem to be asource for this anywhere on or, so far as I can see. Joseph2302 (talk) 17:08, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Joseph2302: This one is a RS: (rbb24 is part of RBB Fernsehen). "Auch die 400-Meter-Läuferinnen Karolina Pahlitzsch von der LG Nord Berlin und Alica Schmidt vom SCC Berlin haben sich jeweils für die Staffel qualifiziert." = "[Also] the 400m runners Karolina Pahlitzsch of LG Nord Berlin and Alica Schmidt of SCC Berlin have both qualified for the relay." --Kusma (talk) 18:05, 7 July 2021 (UTC)
Thank you (danke schön) - exactly what I was looking for. :) Joseph2302 (talk) 18:23, 7 July 2021 (UTC)

Links between English and Frisian peoples and languages

Editors here may wish to join the discussion at Talk:English people about the links (or not) between the English and Frisian peoples and languages which has arisen in the wake of multiple deletions and, in some cases, reversions and re-reversions of links between these topics, so a consensus would be helpful. Other articles affected include: Frisians, Saterland Frisians and Faroe Islanders. There may be more. Cheers. Bermicourt (talk) 13:44, 18 July 2021 (UTC)

page missing in German, also translated page incomplete

Hallo, I wish I could remember more of my German language class. I went to find the small town of Vehra where my ancestors lived, but there is not a Wiki page in English. I found it from the Henschleben page, but this page is much more complete in German. I used a web translator to read them both, but I assume it would be inappropriate to use the translations to edit. I would be happy to help, but I don't think I'm able to do it properly. The pages are: Henschleben English (no information)

Henschleben Deutsch (much more info)

Vehra Deutsch (there is no corresponding English page yet)

Thank you, and please let me know if I can help. Gina

Tzinamarina (talk) 16:36, 22 July 2021 (UTC)

According to WP:NGEO you should cite at least one reliable source (aside from census tracts) that has in-depth coverage about the settlement, but legally recognized settlements are presumed to be notable until challenged. This historical village and contemporary town district (German: Ortsteil) might be notable enough for its own little article, I think. I don't see why it shouldn't get its own article. But resource is made up of many people: Someone else might think differently.
I may be willing to help you with the page creation. Would you create a draft for Vehra in your user space and start searching for sources? (German language sources are perfectly fine for this purpose, though English ones would be even better, of course.)
The sourcing situation of the German article is a bit spurious for our purposes: They have two list-style census tracts and one list-style book about town foundation dates. None of the sources writes about the village of Vehra in-depth.
Do you personally know know any of the inhabitants? Then you could ask them if there ever was any book written about them. Or you might call the town's disctrict mayor's office with that question, for example.
Don't get me wrong: It's likely that the article will be created either way, but its quality would be much improved from the outset if we had an in-depth source about it. -- (talk) 09:52, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
This is the telephone number of mayor Starroske's office from +49 36376 53449
You could start by calling them and ask if they know of any source material about Vehra. -- (talk) 10:02, 24 July 2021 (UTC)
For completeness' sake, in case you didn't know this: Other media are fine too, like newspaper and magazine articles, movies, websites, etc. -- (talk) 10:46, 24 July 2021 (UTC)

Old FAs

Some of the project's FAs are listed at Resource: Unreviewed featured articles/2020, and should be looked through / updated / improved to modern standards. For example, IG Farben Building is in need of better sources, Ulm campaign and Night of the Long Knives have some concerns listed on the talk page. I'm currently trying to update Georg Forster to use better sources and would also welcome comments at Talk:Georg Forster. --Kusma (talk) 12:42, 23 July 2021 (UTC)

Notice of Featured Article Review

I have nominated Night of the Long Knives for a featured article review here. Please join the discussion on whether this article meets featured article criteria. Articles are typically reviewed for two weeks. If substantial concerns are not addressed during the review period, the article will be moved to the Featured Article Removal Candidates list for a further period, where editors may declare "Keep" or "Delist" the article's featured status. The instructions for the review process are here. Z1720 (talk) 21:51, 1 August 2021 (UTC)

Vandalism at Politics of Germany?

What is the meaning of this June 2021 edit at Politics of Germany?:

Is it vandalism or is it censorship? Either way, why has it been chosen to be ignored? 2403:6200:8832:2ECD:99BB:81B6:A027:F40E (talk) 23:50, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

 – see Talk:Politics of Germany for very exciting update regarding the reinstatement of two words and a dot. Best wishes DBaK (talk) 00:37, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Arid steppes in Germany?

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A while ago, I was editing on climate articles and I came across this map, used in several pages. The first map legend (in yellow) says "Arid, steppe, cold (BSk)". This corresponds to cold semi-arid climate in the Köppen classification. If this is true, then that's a pretty cool fact and I'd love to see a photo of the place. If not, then the error should be noted in the caption, or the image replaced. Zach (Talk) 14:42, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

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Hmm. Interesting. It's hard to compare it to the natural regions of Germany map because the map projections are different, but it looks as if it's pointing to parts of the Harz and possibly the Kyffhäuser, neither of which I would think of as steppes or particularly colder than e.g. the Ore Mountains. That said the eastern Harz is in a rain shadow, which may be why it's considered arid. But I thought the Kyffhäuser was just a ridge. Bermicourt (talk) 17:44, 10 August 2021 (UTC)
I used Image Overlay on Google Earth. Some of the places in the yellow areas are: Staßfurt, Bernburg and Halle (Saale) (all in Saxony-Anhalt). Does it make sense? I have no idea... Zach (Talk) 18:29, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

Very interesting. de:Halle_(Saale)#Klima says it is one of the most arid cities in Germany and in the de:Mitteldeutsches Trockengebiet. There's also the Brocken as a very special place climate-wise. --Kusma (talk) 19:05, 10 August 2021 (UTC)

The Brocken area is very interesting - know it well. But it's not arid - as part of the Upper Harz it helps to take the brunt of the prevailing weather The Brocken itself has the highest precipitation of any point in north central Europe, which is why the eastern Harz is so dry. I've seen days when there's continuous heavy rain on the Brocken and bright sunshine immediately to the east. I wonder if the arid steppe region shown is actually the rain shadow area on the plain to the east of the Harz which would include Halle? Bermicourt (talk) 06:47, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
Thanks, this is exactly what is was looking for. The Brocken is right on the dark green area (Dfc) in the middle of Germany, and given the amount of rain there, no wonder it's dry on the lee side. What is surprising is that the countryside seems to be quite green (and wooded) for a "semi-arid" area, but I think this is because of low average temperature. BSk is common in Spain, Grece... but also in Bulgaria and eastern Europe, so it encompasses a wide range of environments. Zach (Talk) 11:19, 11 August 2021 (UTC)
@Bermicourt: You're exactly right. I must say I'm astonished that a 1141 m high mountain can have such a drastic effect on the weather. In fact, I did not even notice it until I set the Elevation exageration to 3 on Google Earth (lol)! Zach (Talk) 11:51, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:BayernLB#Requested move 6 August 2021

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:BayernLB#Requested move 6 August 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject.  -- Shibbolethink (? ?) 22:43, 17 August 2021 (UTC)

Requested move at Talk:List of cities by country that have stolpersteine#Requested move 19 August 2021

There is a requested move discussion at Talk:List of cities by country that have stolpersteine#Requested move 19 August 2021 that may be of interest to members of this WikiProject.  -- Shibbolethink (? ?) 02:06, 20 August 2021 (UTC)

Expanding the article for Marksuhl

Recently, I found an article regarding the city of Marksuhl. The article itself was impressively short. I read the corresponding article in the German Wikipedia, and found a wealth of information. I would like an editor to, if possible, expand the article on the English resource ( with the same article on the German resource ( I apologize for any inconvenience. (talk) 21:54, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

GAR for Lichtenstein Castle (Württemberg)

Head's up, I've listed an old GA - my first, actually - for GAR because it sucks. Here's the link. –?Vami_IV+? 12:40, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Linking German resource election templates to English/French

The list of navigation templates in de:Kategorie:Vorlage:Navigationsleiste Wahlen (Deutschland) are sorted by year and government type, when it could simply be sorted by year to match the ones in Category:Germany election year navigational boxes. Any opposes? It initially would be a renaming of the template, and then in cases of 2016/21 also adding the Bundestag elections to them. ~ Shushugah (he/him o talk) 08:59, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

with Wikidata linking ~ Shushugah (he/him o talk) 08:37, 9 September 2021 (UTC)

Meßstetten mess

This article is a buildup of text scraps, most of them hardly understandable and not relevant. (talk) 12:56, 10 September 2021 (UTC)

Baroque- Johann Walther fehlt auf der Liste

Johann Walther (1684-1748) (talk) 14:05, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

Requested move of the article Prince-elector

I have proposed that the article Prince-elector be renamed and moved to Elector of the Holy Roman Empire. If any project members or talk page stalkers wish to contribute to the discussion, it is at Talk:Prince-elector#Requested move 14 September 2021. TSventon (talk) 08:59, 17 September 2021 (UTC)

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