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Hello, Rebele, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are some pages that you might find helpful:

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I have responded to your comment at Talk:613 Mitzvot. Jon513 ([[User

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New contributors' help page

Hello. I've responded to your post at the New contributors' help page. —Elipongo (Talk contribs) 07:00, 23 January 2008 (UTC)

Speedy deletion of Phil burnstein:sandbox

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If you want to make test edits, you can use the main sandbox (WP:SAND). If you want a sandbox for yourself, you should make a page in your namespace. To do that, you create a page at User:Phil_burnstein/whateverpageyouwant. For instance, to make yourself a sandbox, you might want to make a page at User:Phil_burnstein/Sandbox. Thanks, and enjoy editing Wikipedia :) — NovaDog(contribs) 01:26, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Heh, you probably accidentally typed in five tildes ~~~~~ instead of four ~~~~. Five tildes just gives you the date, four tildes give you the username and the date. Three tildes just give the date. — NovaDog(contribs) 01:36, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Re:Eligibility for Project membership

Of course not, WikiProjects are never limited to a certain racial, ethnic or religious group. Only a handful of the project's members are Palestinian anyway. Just add your name to the list. Salaam/Shalom! --Al Ameer son (talk) 17:29, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Hi Phil,

As Al Ameer Son says, the Wikiproject is not limited to Palestinians, so of course you can join. To answer your other questions, according to the Palestine Liberation Organization definition for the Palestinian people, any Jew who is a descendent of someone who was resident in Palestine prior to what they call the "Zionist invasion" (which most date to the signing of the Balfour Declaration in 1917) is considered to be part of the Palestinian people. Of course, identity is self-defined and cannot be imposed on anyone, so you would have to think of yourself as Palestinian to qualify as one. :) You might want to read two articles that cover some aspects of people in your situation - one is Palestinian Jew (which needs work actually) and the other is Arab Jew#Palestine. Anyway, I, as a self-identifying Palestinian whose family roots in Nazareth go back centuries, but who currently holds Israeli citizenship, would be very happy to count you among our people, if you felt that that's who you wanted to identify with. :) Welcome to Wikipedia! Tiamuttalk 17:47, 11 March 2008 (UTC)

Dear Phil,

I was deeply moved by your comments on my talk page. I too have struggled for many years with the issue of identity and have come to similar conclusions regarding its mutliple layers. It is quite true that I chosen to privilege my Palestinian identity over the many others, and that has been a conscious choice, one that developed over time for many reasons too numerous to explain here.

Funny you would mention the Jerusalemite identity. I once wrote an article on Jerusalemites which was deleted and merged to Demographics of Jerusalem. What I found most beautiful about most of those who identified as Jerusalemites (in Arabic, qudsi, or loosely "one who lives in the sacred place") was the consciousness of the multiplicity and plurality of the inhabitants of the city and its culture, which was widely celebrated amongst those who proudly claimed it as their identity. Your sentiments follow in that fine and proud tradition.

About the Wikiprojects here, there is one in which you would not have to choose between Palestine and Israel. I forgot to mention it to you at the time (to be honest, I keep forgetting the link because of its length and only manage to find it when it appears on my watchlist), but here it is now: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Israel Palestine Collaboration?. I think it might be the perfect place for you to start, since you are obviously interested in collaboration on subjects related to both. I do hope you will join us there. I also sincerely hope that one day you will be able to return to Jerusalem, without having to make a choice between what are at present, two rather mutually exclusive identities. With respect, Tiamuttalk 23:54, 19 March 2008 (UTC)

Just saw your beautiful and brief message in reply now. I have no doubt that one day that hope will be fulfilled for all those who truly do hope for it. Where there's a will, there's a way, my brother. Glad to see you joined the Wikiproject as well. Look forward to seeing you around town. :) Tiamuttalk 01:45, 25 March 2008 (UTC)

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Re: Your question at the New Contributors' Help Page

You could put a notice/message on the article's talk page saying that you are currently updating the article, and inviting others to look at it. -- Natalya 00:59, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

See also Resource: Template messages/Maintenance#Articles undergoing major edits and Category:Under-construction templates. PrimeHunter (talk) 01:11, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

Jewish commentaries on the Bible

Thank you for rewriting this section. This was one of my early contributions to resource back when I had nothing to do. I picked it up from a "to do" list to convert from the Catholic Encyclopedia of 1913. I had many compunctions about it afterward! Not the least of which is whether it would be better combined with one of the other Jewish topics in a similar vein. Anyway, good luck! Student7 (talk) 12:22, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

User talk:Phil burnstein/sandbox

Just one comment on your rewrite (I did make a few corrections, see the history page, hope you don't mind) - have you thought about using the {{Cite book}} template for the books that you are using as references? I think that would be a great improvement. - ukexpat (talk) 17:15, 12 August 2008 (UTC)

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Hi Phil!

Regarding your question, I usually say "Ramadan karim" (lit. "Generous Ramadan") or "Ramadan mubarak" (lit. "Blessed Ramadan") during the fasting period itself I don't know what people say in English, but you could probably say "Happy Ramadan" (for sure at the end of the fasting period, during the celebrations, this would be perfectly fine and I don't think anyone would be offended by its use prior, though I could be wrong.) We also say the same greeting said on Christmas and on birthdays during Ramadan, (it's the kind of catch-all holiday greeting) which is "Kol sini wa inta salam" ("(May) every year (find) you in peace.") When speaking to a woman, you would say, "Kol sini wa inti salmi." (The endings of "you" and "peace" changing to reflect the feminine.) I hope that answers your question. Happy days! ;) Tiamuttalk 10:00, 8 September 2008 (UTC)

Please, make this peer review

Its for the Jew article. It is a great article, and it would be great for you to see it and make a Peer review of it! --Fixman(Praise me) 05:19, 1 October 2008 (UTC) {{helpme}}

You might be better off checking over at WP:Peer Review than asking us. NuclearWarfare contact meMy work 21:17, 6 October 2008 (UTC)

{{helpme}} I have an ascii file on my computer that I would like to put into Resource: Peer_review/Jew/archive1. How do I do it? October 2008 (UTC)

peer reviews

peer review 1/peer review 1

Thank you for peer reviewing the Jew article

Your (pretty lengthy) review will be of great help, I will start making the article better this thursday. --FixmanPraise me 00:09, 8 October 2008 (UTC)


My first edit was 1/6/2008 --Preceding unsigned comment added by Phil burnstein (talk o contribs) 11:40, 5 June 2009 (UTC) resource talk:

List articles users might want to filter by reason tool tips proposal --Preceding unsigned comment added by Phil burnstein (talk o contribs) 22:39, 4 June 2009 (UTC)

To get a list of all subpages of a page, use Special:Prefixindex and type the parent page name followed by a slash. For example, for all subpages of User:Example, type User:Example/ in the search box and hit Go: Special:Prefixindex/User:Example/

Can be done with HTML or CSS markup. Here is one solution...
The quick brown fox      jumped      over the lazy dog.
And here is another...
The quick brown fox jumped over the lazy dog.
Look at the edit to see how I did it. Hope that helps. JBarta (talk) 10:04, 13 January 2009 (UTC)
As to why, it is an HTML feature: basically HTML will not display more than one space character. Jbarta used non-breaking spaces, another way you can do the same is with the {{pad}} template and specify the number of spaces. ------ Gadget850 (Ed) talk - 12:45, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

:Can be done with HTML or CSS markup. Here is one solution... :::The quick brown fox&nbsp ;&nbsp ;&nbsp ;&nbsp ;&nbsp ;&nbsp ;<sup>jumped</sup>&nbsp ;&nbsp ;&nbsp ;&nbsp ;&nbsp ;&nbsp ;over the lazy dog. <br /> :And here is another... :::The quick brown fox <sup style="margin-left:22px;margin-right:22px;">jumped</sup> over the lazy dog. <br /> :Look at the edit to see how I did it. Hope that helps. [[User:Jbarta|JBarta]] ([[User talk:Jbarta|talk]]) 10:04, 13 January 2009 (UTC)<br /> ::As to why, it is an HTML feature: basically HTML will not display more than one space character. Jbarta used non-breaking spaces, another way you can do the same is with the {{tl|pad}} template and specify the number of spaces. ----<i><b>-- [[User:Gadget850|<font color = "gray">Gadget850 (Ed)</font>]]<font color = "darkblue"> <sup>[[User talk:Gadget850|''talk'']]</sup></font></b> - </i> 12:45, 13 January 2009 (UTC)

The Primary Notability Criterion
An article's subject is notable if it has been the subject of non-trivial published works by multiple separate sources that are independent of that subject itself.

Wikipedia is not a directory. It is an encyclopaedia. It is notability that stops resource from becoming a directory instead of an encyclopaedia.

Using the following code: This is a { {pad|6em} } padded sentence.

Will produce: This is a......padded sentence.

Phil_burnstein (talk) 10:53, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Thanks back at you!

Phil -- Thanks so much for your kind note a few weeks back. It's great to get such appreciation for IPCOLL, we could all use more positive feedback here! I've been swamped lately and haven't been able to contribute, not sure when I'll resume. Feel free to email me as you wish. Be well, and a belated shanah tovah to you, too! HG | Talk 13:20, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Rebbe Nachman of Breslov

Hello. I found your username on the volunteers list for peer review. I have decided to submit this article to peer review in order to qualify for Featured Article status. Would you kindly click on the above link and add your comments or suggestions? Thank you very much, Yoninah (talk) 21:45, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

Dear Phil, Thank you very much for your comments and suggestions, and also for the additional work you put into the article itself. Suddenly an editor with a cause celebre (Yisroel Ber Odesser) appeared out of nowhere; I appreciate your responding to his comments on the talk page. I have learned much more about what makes a better article just by asking for a peer review! If I can ever help you out on an article, please let me know. All the best, Yoninah (talk) 15:36, 18 December 2008 (UTC)


The Reference Desk Barnstar

Refdesk barnstar candidate2.png The Reference Desk Barnstar
To Phil Burnstein for your enjoyable, informing and considered answers on the refdesks - especially the one about stereotyping god's gender and occam's razor. ;) Happy desking, from Julia Rossi (talk) 23:13, 4 January 2009 (UTC)
You're welcome! :) Julia Rossi (talk) 00:05, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Note from me: this refers to Can we detect if there are light years sized monsters controlling our minds? of 01/03/09.


{{helpme}} I want to take the current Jewish commentaries on the Bible article and make it a subpage of itself. I have its rewrite in my sandbox and I want to copy it to Jewish commentaries on the Bible. I've never done this before. Phil_burnstein (talk) 15:53, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

Hi there. Simply copy and paste. To create a new subpage, such as Jewish commentaries on the Bible/subpage, all you have to do is go to the non-existent page and create it. That easy. Exactly the same way you created your sandbox. Hope this helps, let me know if you need anything else. --Chasingsol(talk) 15:59, 5 January 2009 (UTC)

E-mail this user

Dear Phil. Please drop by my user page and contact me via "E-mail this user". I'd like to know your thoughts about my edits on Jewish Commentaries of the Bible, Revelation, and Book of Ezekiel. Older articles that I was largely responsible for include Holocaust theology and Jewish views on evolution. RK (talk)

Nice footwork

Thanks for the laughing fit[1], :)) Julia Rossi (talk) 07:24, 27 January 2009 (UTC)

Agree! =) Julia Rossi (talk) 22:27, 27 January 2009 (UTC)
Gotta watch those sub-texts, :)) Julia Rossi (talk) 23:32, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Thank you in turn!

Thank you for your thank you! It makes me realise that I'm not just contributing on the refdesk for the OP (and my own amusement or satisfaction, as the case may be), but that our answers may help unknown others. Now I know I've been useful today. BrainyBabe (talk) 10:22, 28 January 2009 (UTC)

Shlom bayit

Just to let you know that a consensus discussion is underway about changing Shlom bayit to Shalom bayit. Please add your opinion at Talk:Shlom bayit#Requested move. Thank you, Yoninah (talk) 23:48, 15 February 2009 (UTC)

Thanks and a request

Thanks for signing up at Resource: Peer review/volunteers and for your work doing reviews. It is now just over a year since the last peer review was archived with no repsonse after 14 (or more) days, something we all can be proud of. There is a new Peer review user box to track the backlog (peer reviews at least 4 days old with no substantial response), which can be found here. To include it on your user or talk page, please add {{ Resource: Peer review/PRbox}} . Thanks again, and keep up the good work, Ruhrfisch ><>°° 03:23, 25 February 2009 (UTC)

SETI effects

Hi Phil, your question included what SETI lacks might affect theology but seemed to be glossed over in the science of it. I was wondering what your thoughts on that might be? sorry forgot to log in, it's me, Julia Rossi (talk) 03:12, 4 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for your reply Phil. Okay, I will say more in the next few days. It's a nice structure btw. Julia Rossi (talk) 07:33, 6 March 2009 (UTC)

/Former Article Jewish commentaries on the Bible

You surely didn't mean to do this? See [2] - it's in article space if someone hasn't deleted it by now. dougweller (talk) 09:41, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

I'm not sure that's any better, what are you trying to do? dougweller (talk) 10:33, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
And it has no article history, which it should have if it is an old article. dougweller (talk) 11:10, 19 March 2009 (UTC)
I see, ok, I've made it a subpage to the article's talk page, which is a logical place for it. It was in main article space as a standalone article, which is not what you or anyone else would want. I've also fixed the link you put on the talk page. dougweller (talk) 13:22, 19 March 2009 (UTC)

help me

{{helpme}} I saved thee latest version of my personal sandbox, and it vanished. This is where I work on new articles.
1. can you get it back?
2. why is sine-bot working, when I put up a noautosign on line 2 of my sandbox
Phil_burnstein (talk) 06:31, 23 March 2009 (UTC)

You mean User talk:Phil burnstein/sandbox? Looks fine to me. Also if you don't want SineBot to sign an edit, put !nosine! in the edit summary. --Closedmouth (talk) 06:38, 23 March 2009 (UTC)


I know it looks fine, but the version I saved last was about 1000 bytes longer
Is there any way to keep sinebot out of an article i'm working on? I work, save my stuff, and then come back to it. Is there a better way?

Peer review request

If you have any interest in taking a look at Spiritual use of cannabis, I would like to get some feedback on how this article can be improved towards WP:FAC standards. —Whig (talk) 03:47, 9 April 2009 (UTC)


Hi Rebele, here you added some verbiage about the French word "eshtordishon". What were you referring to, precisely? Tomertalk 20:20, 26 June 2009 (UTC)

All respect to Rashi, but he is not an expert on French. Unless we can figure out what French word he's referring to precisely, keeping "eshtordishon" (a word that, with that spelling, does not exist in French, nor can I think of one that would be pronounced that way but spelt somehow else) in the article (especially w/o saying it's from Rashi) is dubious at best. Tomertalk 14:13, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, I'm quite familiar with Rashi, his writings, and the conditions of the Jewish communities of the area at the time. The fact remains that saying that Rashi wrote that eshtordishon was a French equivalent (apparently meaning "astonishment") of a Hebrew word in B'reshith, leaves us with little information other than the apparent fact that a word has gone missing from French sometime in the past millennium. While my French is far from fluent, the only words that are coming to mind are things like "extradition", and others which have no plausible connection with a meaning of astonishment. Tomertalk 22:13, 5 July 2009 (UTC)



In light of your complaint that Almost every post above consists of two parts, talk about the articles and ad hominun attacks about the authors. Unless you know enough about an editor to write a biographic article, don't mention him, I wondered if you could look at these, and see if you feel you can counter sign it?

Newman Luke (talk) 02:59, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

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