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Former good article nomineeUkrainian language was a good articles nominee, but did not meet the good article criteria at the time. There are suggestions below for improving the article. Once these issues have been addressed, the article can be renominated. Editors may also seek a reassessment of the decision if they believe there was a mistake.
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May 10, 2006Good article nomineeNot listed

Official language in Crimea and Transnistria

United nations recognizes Crimea as a part of Ukraine and Transnistria - as a part of Moldova. Why putting Crimea separately, if it is a territory temporarily occupied by Russia? If it is a part of Ukraine - why separate it and attach a non-recognised flag? If consider Russian occupation - than it is not an official language there, as it is being removed from schools and Ukrainian-language newspapers were closed. No logic here. DimaV83 (talk) 08:48, 15 February 2017 (UTC)

@DimaV83: According to the law of Russian Federation, Ukrainian is state language of the Republic of Crimea. --Yomal Sidoroff-Biarmskii 16:31, 31 May 2017 (UTC)
Wikipedia should prioritize United Nations decisions over local laws. Crimea should not be put separately as it is part of Ukraine. Deimos (talk) 11:34, 6 June 2019 (UTC)
Wikipedia shouldn't prioritize anyone's decisions. It is an independent source, so there must be a neutral description about both sides of this conflict. Adsterror (talk) 12:46, 25 August 2020 (UTC)

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Participate in the deletion discussion at the nomination page. --Community Tech bot (talk) 12:07, 12 October 2018 (UTC)

Map

The map is overexaggerating the geographic spread of Ukranian. Do you need to color entire countries because of "thousands"? -- Preceding unsigned comment added by 149.200.16.217 (talk) 17:23, 22 December 2018 (UTC)

Language family

The "family tree" in the infobox seems to miss one step: according to a number of sources, and the article about the Ruthenian language ("Dialects of Ruthenian slowly developed into modern Belarusian, Rusyn and Ukrainian languages"), the Ukrainian language didn't evolve directly from the East Slavic language, but evolved from one of the dialects of the Ruthenian language (which did evolve directly from East Slavic), so the family tree should say "... Slavic -> East Slavic -> Ruthenian -> Ukrainian" instead of what it says now (where Ruthenian isn't mentioned). The claim in the infobox about Old East Slavic being "an early form of Ukrainian" also seems highly dubious. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 14:18, 23 September 2019 (UTC)

Since no one has commented I have made the change, but there's a lot more cleanup needed, since the article systematically applies the name "Ukrainian language" retroactively to Slavic languages/dialects that were spoken long before there was a Ukrainian language (claiming there was an "Old Ukrainian language" in the 12th-14th centuries, in spite of the dialect spoken in the area of Ukraine not even beginning to diverge from what was then spoken in what is now Belarus and other areas until centuries later), even though the language spoken in what is now Ukraine was commonly known as (a dialect of) the Ruthenian language as late as the end of the 19th century, and in some cases well into the 20th century. And we do not rewrite history. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 10:55, 27 September 2019 (UTC)
Fixed some of it. - Tom | Thomas.W talk 16:21, 28 September 2019 (UTC)

Rewriting or removing the section "Persecution and russification"

This section is just terrible, not even a single citation for any of the claims being made. I don't even know how this hasn't been discussed here until now, it is painfully obvious the bias here. But okay before anything let's make clear where these claims are probably coming from. If you go to the Ukrainian language page in Ukrainian, and go to the History section, there is a link for a specific page only for discussing the situation of the Ukrainian language in the USSR. If you read all of the article you will only find 2 citations, the second one being only a dictionary; so what interests us is the first one, which gets us to this site, which the title translates to "Chronology of language events in Ukraine: external history of the Ukrainian language". So this is the font that I am assuming they are using on this article, if I am correct, the first claim they make is purely nonsensical. They claim here on this article: " In December 1932, the regional party cells received a telegram signed by V. Molotov and Stalin with an order to immediately reverse the Ukrainianization policies.[]". Obviously no sources, but if we go to the site that I've already mentioned here, and we go to the 1930 section and go to 1932, the only mention there that comes even comes close to what they say is, in the original Ukrainian version:

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1932-1933 ?..., 292-293. -- Preceding unsigned comment added by Lugë Ushqimi (talk o contribs) 02:24, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

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The translation by Google Translate:

" December 14 Resolution of the SNC of the USSR and the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) on grain procurement in Ukraine, the North Caucasus and the Western regions. At the same time, the document called for the proper implementation of Ukrainization in Ukraine and abroad in regions where Ukrainians lived compactly. The document also contained a categorical demand to fight Petliur's and other counter-revolutionary elements.

The famine of 1932-1933 in Ukraine..., 292-293.

On December 15, Stalin and Molotov signed a telegram directive of similar content to local leaders.

Shapoval Y. I. Stalinism and Ukraine "

If this translation is reliable, then the first claim they make is purely delusional. I haven't yet checked the other claims, so I am asking here for help to revise this part of the article. -- Preceding unsigned comment added by Lugë Ushqimi (talk o contribs) 02:19, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

I too think the section should be rewritten or removed. I would prefer a rewrite but the current version seems pretty close to REDFLAG. Perhaps the original editor should be consulted? Acalycine (talk) 09:48, 2 September 2020 (UTC)
Preferably yes, but still, if they know the sources and the article has been here so long with many citation requests, and they still hasn't shown the sources. It would be better off just removing all the not sourced claims in the Soviet Era section, until someone can provide good sources on them, including the Ukrainization one, because it also has no sources to it. -- Preceding unsigned comment added by Lugë Ushqimi (talk o contribs) 12:46, 2 September 2020 (UTC)

Recent edits

DanyloPushkar,

I suggest you discuss here and stop uncivil comments. Thank You.(KIENGIR (talk) 17:26, 21 March 2021 (UTC))

DanyloPushkar Your edit summaries have included such comments as "I provided citations" when you provided no citations and "Please read" when I, for one, did read the existing source, and what you'd replaced the existing text with was the opposite of what the source says. So, stop. If you disagree with the text that's there, you must discuss it and reach consensus. Largoplazo (talk) 18:18, 21 March 2021 (UTC)


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