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Soccer

  • Why are there so few mentions of the Chicago Fire at this stadium? Nyrmetros 01:06, 21 February 2007 (UTC)
They're mentioned as one of the tenants of the stadium in the info box. I think it goes without saying that the fact the Bears play here is far more notable than the MLS team. The Fire are mentioned though. 71.229.178.108 (talk) 22:21, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Images

Better placed in the gallery at the bottom. KyuuA4 19:50, 7 February 2007 (UTC)

Aerial view of New Soldier Field. Are there any? If those, it would be nice to add into the collection. KyuuA4 04:20, 1 August 2007 (UTC)

Tours

If I had known about the need to prearrange a stadium tour, I would have called ahead and made the arrangements to take the tour when I was in Chicago.

JesseG 03:49, 21 Aug 2004 (UTC)

The "84,000" in attendance for the Rolling Stones concert is highly doubtful since the stadium only has 61,000 fixed seats, and a large percentage of these seats cannot be used for concerts; an attendance figure of 84,000 would mean that more than 30,000 people would have been on the field or on the stage for the Stones show, which is highly unlikely. A more realistic figure is between 50,000 - 55,000. Here's a seating chart for the Stones show in October: [1]

"Tenants" in infobox

Edited the Bears' tenency from "1924-2002" to "1971-2002"; as the article suggests, the Bears didn't move in until 1971; they played at Wrigley until then. Andy 09:22, 20 November 2005 (UTC)


I think the Bears moved in SF in 1970 I saw on SoldierFied.net (the offical stadium website) it says 1971 but I think it is wrong. I will try to find out from some other sources Smith03 04:11, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

I am wrong the Bears were in Wrigley in 1970 when the Vikes came to townSmith03 23:38, 19 February 2006 (UTC)

The Bears used to play an annual Armed Forces Benefit Game at Soldier Field as part of their NFL pre-season (exhibition) schedule, even while their regular season was at Wrigley Field. I think it began in the mid-1950s and continued into the 1970s. WHPratt (talk) 19:15, 14 December 2011 (UTC)

Seat no. reduction?

Why the seat reduction at the renovated Soldier Field? Chicagoans have to find this disappointing, given that their city and its surroundings make up the 2nd largest market among those with NFL teams. Was it done to increase the space between the stands and the field, something of concern to the league? Or was it done because Virginia McCaskey is a radical capitalist who believes in taking away from the poor and giving it to the rich? It's important to point out that when Lambeau Field was renovated in the late '90s, seats were added. Somebody answer my questions. -Amit

First of all, Lambeau was renovated a couple of years ago - not the late 1990s. Soldier Field seating was decreased (ironically) in order to DECREASE the average distance from the seats to the field. The old Soldier Field held more people b/c it was a large bowl with a horrible angle of elevation. In order to improve the sight lines, the new stadium utilizes mezz and upper decks that are stacked upon one another. This greatly improves the vantage point for the average fan but it also decreased the seating capacity. Your 'radical capitalist' comment is confusing b/c the Bears would have reaped that much more revenue if the stadium was larger. Wagner - The Ultimate Bears Fan

It doesn't matter why the Park district decided to be stupid and renovate it. It looks very ugly and doesn't seem to fit the skyline and lakefront. It fit perfectly wwiht the field musiuem. Every time I drive by it just doesn't look right. Znsga 21:45, 25 November 2006 (UTC)

Assessment

Added initial assessment of Start class and High importance. This article may need to be Top importance for the ChicagoWikiProject. Article has good content, but needs copy edit, sectioning, links to nearby parks and neighborhoods, more pics, and references. ChicagoPimp 00:37, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

Merger proposal

I have proposed that the article Grant Park Stadium be merged into this one. -Rhrad (talk) 19:47, 11 June 2008 (UTC)

I believe that this 'Notable Events' section is more comprehensive and informative than the current section entitled 'Events hosted.' I propose that this 'Notable Events' Section be restored.Milesout (talk) 15:10, 10 September 2009 (UTC)

Notable events

  • Other Bears playoff games at Soldier Field:

References

  1. ^ a b 2002 NCAA Records book - Attendance Records page 494 (PDF)
  2. ^ American Pharaoh, Mayor Richard J. Daley, His Battle for Chicago and the Nation", By Adam Cohen and Elizabeth Taylor, Little, Brown, and Company 2000
  3. ^ Cook County Listings at the National Register of Historic Places; Ref. #84001052
  4. ^ "Movie Review: Flags of Our Fathers". Kenneth Turan. Los Angeles Times. Retrieved .

Public Transit

The longest paragraph in the introduction section is about public transportation to the stadium, not about the stadium itself:

The closest 'L' station to Soldier Field is the Roosevelt station on the Orange, Green and Red lines. The Chicago Transit Authority also operates the #128 Soldier Field Express bus route to the stadium from Ogilvie Transportation Center and Union Station. There are also two Metra stations close by--the Museum Campus/11th Street station on the Metra Electric and South Shore lines, and 18th Street, which is only on the Metra Electric Line. Pace also provides access from the Northwest, West and Southwest suburbs to the stadium with four express routes from Schaumburg, Lombard, Bolingbrook, Burr Ridge, Palos Heights and Oak Lawn.

I'm not sure why this is relevant and believe it should be moved downward, if not outright removed. --Hyrden (talk) 03:34, 7 July 2010 (UTC)

Photos

There's probably too much photos. Should I clean it up? ZappaOMati 21:23, 24 July 2012 (UTC)

"Complete" rebuild and stadium age

The link supplied in an edit summary http://www.stadiumsofprofootball.com/nfc/SoldierField.htm is dubious with respect to WP:RS but regardless of its reliability itself states:

...Soldier Field, the NFL's oldest stadium. The Bears decided to leave the historic Greek colonnades...the new stadium was to be built inside the exterior shell...the classic colonnades remain intact ...

The body of the Soldier Field popflock.com resource article states, with a cited reliable source, "...the stadium's interior would be demolished and reconstructed while the exterior would be preserved." Further, according to List_of_current_National_Football_League_stadiums Soldier Field opened in 1924 and is the oldest.

On this basis I believe the content attempting to be added to this article, characterizing the renovation as a "complete" rebuild is factually incorrect. I understand the point that if the Soldier Field rebuild were considered "complete" then Soldier Field might be considered a "new" stadium and therefore Lambeau could claim to be the oldest NFL stadium. Hugh (talk) 15:40, 19 June 2013 (UTC)

If you look at the beginning of the article, it states that it used to be the oldest but no longer is. This statement implies that Soldier is now considered new.24.118.8.184 (talk) 04:18, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

Here is more proof http://espn.go.com/travel/stadium/_/s/nfl/id/9/lambeau-field http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d821b617d/article/packers-to-add-6600-seats-at-lambeau-field-by-13-season

I will find more and post it here24.118.8.184 (talk) 04:34, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

The last article you mention is an Associated Press article that was widely picked up, including by the New York Times, and it states "Lambeau Field is the oldest continually operating N.F.L. stadium" which avoids the issue of the age of Soldier Field and depends only on the fact that Soldier Field missed a year of NFL during the remodel. But please note it does not say Lambeau is older or that Soldier Field is new. Hugh (talk) 05:03, 20 June 2013 (UTC)
How about if we add "Lambeau is the longest continually operated NFL stadium" or words to that effect to the Lambeau article, in the body and in the intro section, and cite the AP article in the body, what do you think? Hugh (talk) 05:25, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

Continually operated NFL stadium means it is a stadium that is used every season. For example, Soldier and Lambeau are continually operated, but the L.A. colosseum is not. Notice it also says Lambeau is the "Oldest" continually operated stadium, not just the longest.24.118.8.184 (talk) 07:26, 21 June 2013 (UTC)

hmm, I interpreted the AP article as saying, Lambeau is the current NFL stadium that has been continually operated as an NFL stadium the longest, that is, without a break in hosting its NFL team. In other words, if you start the clock at the 1st year of the current residency after the last break, Lambeau is "oldest." Yes, it says oldest, but it's qualified, isn't it? What do you think? Hugh (talk) 15:38, 21 June 2013 (UTC)
I hear what you are saying, but it means that there are older stadiums, but no NFL teams that use them regularly. Some college teams have older stadiums, but they are not used by a professional team every season.24.118.8.184 (talk) 04:09, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
The "list" article List_of_current_National_Football_League_stadiums is careful to include "current" in its title. Hugh (talk) 16:10, 22 June 2013 (UTC)
That list says Soldier is from 1924, but that doesn't mean it is, as it is made by regular people. Also, a stadium is know to be rebuilt when its foundation is removed, which Soldier did. Lambeau did not have its foundation removed, nor did Arrowhead for that matter, when they were revamped. So they are still from their original year while Soldier is not.24.118.8.184 (talk) 07:05, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for your reply. I think we are making progress toward getting closer to the core issue here. On popflock.com resource what "regular people" might believe is a consideration, but what's more important is what reliable sources say. Personally, may I share with you that I am deeply disgusted at what they did to Soldier Field. However. For popflock.com resource to say that the Soldier Field currently in downtown Chicago is not the Soldier Field that opened in 1924, we really need to find reliable sources that say so, and since strong claims require strong evidence, we probably need to find a concensus among multiple reliable sources that what we now know as Soldier Field opened in 2003 not 1924. We are prohibited from contributing original research, so while you or I or most regular people might want to argue that an old building with a new foundation is a new building, WP is not the place to so argue, and we really need to find multiple RS that make that argument. As it stands WP calls Soldier Field the oldest current NFL stadium, with an asterisk, and for better or for worse I think that's about the best we can do at this point, based on the RS we have looked at together. This may change over time, as more reliable sources recognize Lambeau as the one true granddad. What do you think? Hugh (talk) 17:54, 23 June 2013 (UTC)
I think an asterisk might be the best that can be done now. But as you said, as more sources are found, the articles could be changed. As the sources are found they should be posted here for people to review.24.118.8.184 (talk) 07:41, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
One of us should add the "oldest continually occupied" idea and a ref to the AP article to the Lambeau article, that is a good find. Hugh (talk) 17:41, 24 June 2013 (UTC)
Done. Hugh (talk) 20:29, 28 June 2013 (UTC)

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Concert attendance numbers

I just reverted an edit that had the recent Taylor Swift concerts attendance at 105,208. That's not physically possible. Maybe it was a combined attendance from the two concerts, but not for one event. However, after looking at other concert dates, these high of numbers have been entered before and are also wrong. Thoughts? Jauerbackdude?/dude. 13:05, 6 June 2018 (UTC)


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