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RfC notice: Iranian Revolution "supported by the United States"?

Hi WP USA. Editors are invited to participate in Talk:Iranian Revolution#RfC: Iranian Revolution "supported by the United States". Thanks, Levivich 07:55, 15 February 2020 (UTC)

Drew Anderson listed at Requested moves

A requested move discussion has been initiated for Drew Anderson to be moved to Drew Anderson (outfielder). This page is of interest to this WikiProject and interested members may want to participate in the discussion here. --RMCD bot 00:33, 16 February 2020 (UTC)
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Categorizing files on Commons

A high proportion of the nearly 20,000 talk pages in Category:File-Class United States articles belong to files that were moved to Commons and deleted, typically in 2011 or 2012. Is there any reason for these Commons files to continue to be project-tagged on en.wikipedia? Unless this serves some purpose for the project (and if it does, I would be eager to know how it is used), I propose to get a bot to delete any talk page in the category without a corresponding file on en.wikipedia. Local talk pages for Commons files generally lead to either split discussions or, more commonly, invite occasional comments that no one sees or responds to. Thoughts? -- Black Falcon (talk) 05:05, 24 February 2020 (UTC)

Anyone? -- Black Falcon (talk) 01:13, 23 March 2020 (UTC)
@Black Falcon: I don't think there's anyone left on this project who would know how to answer you question. I don't know how to answer it, and I've been around more than a decade. The editor who created WikiProject United States is no longer active. I would say go with your own instincts on this. -- Maile (talk) 02:49, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Discussion at Talk:Hijackers in the September 11 attacks#Merge discussion

 You are invited to join the discussion at Talk:Hijackers in the September 11 attacks#Merge discussion . RightCowLeftCoast (Moo) 02:30, 26 February 2020 (UTC)

The Make-Up listed at Requested moves

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Taliban and Afghanistan Relations

When searching up key words like Afghanistan, it only has the years from 2001-2014. Why is that? We recently had a peace agreement with the Taliban, which may or may not be a huge step in real peaceJorgevizcarrondo (talk) 20:46, 23 March 2020 (UTC).Jorgevizcarrondo (talk) 20:46, 23 March 2020 (UTC)

Help! 2020 United States Census

Help! Tens of thousands (or more) will be turning to resource for information about the 2020 United States Census. The article needs a good amount of work to bring it up to speed. Thanks!   - Mark D Worthen PsyD (talk) (I'm a man--traditional male pronouns are fine.) 18:08, 25 March 2020 (UTC)

Updating County Website URLs

I am working on a project to research and correct as many county web sites as possible and would like to integrate it with relevant resource pages such as

I am consolidating lists of web sites I have obtained from the US Census Bureau and the National Association of Counties. These lists can be used to help fill in some gaps in the Infoboxes that appear in resource pages. All of these Infoboxes could be manually editied, but I am hoping there is a more automated technique for batch updating and then maintaining these. My team will also be researching cities (and other types of municipalities), school districts and special districts.

Would anyone on Project United States be interested in discussing this with me? -- Preceding unsigned comment added by Joffemd (talk o contribs) 22:20, 30 March 2020 (UTC)

Redirects to small towns

I've recently created redirects like these:

I notice that such redirects already exist (e.g. Custar, Deandale) yet I'm not sure if it makes sense to create such redirects. Are they useful? --  Ark25  (talk) 01:41, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

@Ark25:, in cases where there really is only the one other use as is apparently the case with Artanna and Badgertown, then there is little harm in redirecting. However, there may be other uses that are not immediately obvious where a disambiguation page might be better. For example, with Austinburg, there is also a community in Brookfield Township, Tioga County, Pennsylvania. Whether either of the tiny communities in Ohio or Pennsylvania or the township in Ohio is the primary topic is something to consider on case by case basis. Personally, I'd lean towards no primary topic.
You might want to reconsider some other similar titles that you recently redirected and then created a separate disambiguation page. For example Forgy as a redirect to the virtually non-existent (except in a historical sense) community of Forgy, Ohio and the separate page Forgy (disambiguation) -- which is essentially a surname page. I would suggest that in such cases there is no primary topic and the disambiguation page should be place at the base name. older ? wiser 13:39, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
PS, for cases where there is a WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT and a separate disambiguation page, the page should be formatted MOS:PRIMARYTOPIC. Also avoid using USA (see WP:NOTUSA). Also, and I hesitate to suggest this, but in addition to using the resource search function to find other ambiguous topics, you might also consider checking the GNIS domestic name search function (which is no longer being updated) or its replacement The National Map. Note that GNIS may list many "false" positives in that not everything that exists in the GNIS database is necessarily notable in a resource sense. older ? wiser 13:58, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
@Bkonrad: Thank you for your detailed answer! It's quite clear this is way too complicated for me so I give up. --  Ark25  (talk) 14:45, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
@Ark25: I didn't mean to discourage you. I'd only suggest to default to placing the disambiguation page at the base name unless it is really obvious that there is in fact a clear primary topic. No need to worry too much about formatting or layout. older ? wiser 14:54, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
@Bkonrad: Of course. Yet the first step should be to create redirects like Woodington, Ontario and Austinburg, Pennsylvania. Wihout doing that in the first place, I would create a lot of redirects where in fact there should be disambiguation pages, and then my work would actually spoil things instead of helping. And this is far too much work and too complicated for me - I have no idea how to make this semi-automatic. Only after completing this first step it is possible to make it semi-automatic the creation of the links I was asking about. Without automatizing a part of the work, this is something that takes ages. --  Ark25  (talk) 15:11, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
@Ark25: There's no need to create a redirect for every possible entity. Redirects for place names can be useful when it is likely that there might or could someday be an article on the topic. But when dealing with obscure, historical names, there is little benefit to creating such a redirect and it is perfectly fine for the disambiguation page to link to the article in which the obscure name is mentioned. older ? wiser 15:31, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

@Bkonrad: Yet without creating such redirects, it is very hard to know if you have to create a redirect of a disambiguation page.

For example, in the first step, the redirect Clarktown, New Jersey must be created (to redirect to Hamilton Township, Atlantic County, New Jersey.

And then, in the second step, using the template {{intitle}}, you can search for "intitle:"Clarktown, " and you will discover that you have to create a disambiguation page. This second step can be done semi-automatic - like for example creating a list like this. --  Ark25  (talk) 15:43, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

@Ark25: Having a redirect with a term in the title is not a requirement for disambiguation. Yes, perhaps it might make it easier for editors, but that is a secondary consideration. When considering applicability of WP:DABMENTION, {{intitle}} would not help. In such cases you need to do a full search for articles containing the term and evaluate whether that particular usage is worth including on the dab page. For example, people or fictional characters with a given name are rarely worth calling out on a disambiguation page unless it is a truly uncommon given name or they are commonly known mononymously by the given name alone. Similarly, people or fictional characters with a surname that are only briefly mentioned in an article generally shouldn't be included. Place names are a little more flexible, but obscure historical names generally can be mentioned on the disambiguation page, but there is little value to creating a redirect for the term. older ? wiser 16:06, 31 March 2020 (UTC)
@Bkonrad: "you need to do a full search for articles containing the term and evaluate.." - And that means even more work :). Really, this can take decades so this is clearly not for me. --  Ark25  (talk) 16:14, 31 March 2020 (UTC)

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