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Texas Longhorns men's basketball statistical leaders

I came across this article at NPP and my first thought was to nominate it for deletion on WP:GNG/WP:LISTN grounds (as it's sourced only to the Texas media guide) or WP:NOTSTATS/WP:NOTDIRECTORY grounds. There looks to be a fair few of these articles and a spot check shows they're being created by one specific user.

A search of professional US sports shows some but not all teams have records pages of varying degrees of cruftiness, usually using only a single source for the online sports references which would seem to violate WP:NOTSTATS as well. (I also spot checked football because it's the sport everyone loves to hate and the Liverpool F.C. records/statistics page is actually very well done.) Wondering what the correct move here is. SportingFlyer T·C 04:51, 7 May 2020 (UTC)

For reference I think you are referring to soccer FL List of Liverpool F.C. records and statistics.--Bagumba (talk) 09:50, 7 May 2020 (UTC)
I actively update US college football stats leaders pages during and after that sport's season. While the primary sources for all such pages are the schools' respective football media guides, they reflect what the NCAA uses. In fact, the NCAA maintains a pretty comprehensive statistical database for all college athletes, including key statistical numbers relevant to each athlete's sport. (Note that the NCAA isn't the only sanctioning organization for college football, but it's by far the largest, and AFAIK the only college teams with stats pages here are NCAA teams.) -- Dale Arnett (talk) 19:32, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
I don't have a problem with these articles, unless it is preferred to merge into the main team articles. ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 21:20, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
I think there's more of a chance of updating these if they're merged into the main team articles. Even pro sports don't have these articles universally, and the clubs that do are only sporadically updated, while having basic information on the main article has a much better chance of being updated. For instance, Memphis Grizzlies accomplishments and records is not a good article and probably violates several things listed at WP:NOT. SportingFlyer T·C 21:52, 10 May 2020 (UTC)
Generally the college articles (at least the one's I've seen) are in better shape than the Grizzlies one. That said, I wouldn't be against merging some, provided they don't overwhelm the article - the reason for a spin-off in the first place. ~EDDY (talk/contribs)~ 01:02, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, but that may be because most of these are recently created. I'm concerned they won't ever be updated, just like the pro sports stats pages are crufty and fall out of date relatively quickly. SportingFlyer T·C 06:34, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
But WP:AFDISNOTCLEANUP. The discussion should be more about whether we want the article, not the last time it was updated. Incidentally, the Grizzlies' is updated through the 2018-19 season, the last completed season. We generally discourage in-season updates.--Bagumba (talk) 09:47, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
I wouldn't put more than popular career stats of points, rebounds, and assists on the main team page e.g. UCLA Bruins men's basketball#Career leaders. Anything more can either be deleted per WP:NOTEVERYTHING or remain on the separate page.--Bagumba (talk) 06:00, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
  • WP:NOTSTAT applies to "excessive listings of unexplained statistics" which is not what these are, as context is provided. NOTSTAT also suggests that, where stats are lengthy, "the statistics can be split into a separate article and summarized in the main article." Per this reasoning, I think the separate lists are preferable. As this discussion is also relevant to the college football wikiproject, a note should probably be posted there for further input. Cbl62 (talk) 08:46, 11 May 2020 (UTC)

Consensus needed at Talk:NCAA Women's Basketball All-Americans

Calling all pseudo-regular and regular CBBALL editors: @Rikster2:, @Bagumba:, @Editorofthewiki:, @Jweiss11:, @Ejgreen77:, @Cbl62:, @Mjs32193:, @Dale Arnett:, @UCO2009bluejay:

Please weigh in. Thanks! SportsGuy789 (talk) 16:28, 10 May 2020 (UTC)

The consensus is leaning toward not making navboxes at all, but I'd like a little more input from those who haven't chimed in before declaring consensus as such. SportsGuy789 (talk) 17:21, 15 May 2020 (UTC)

Call for 1950s All-American articles

All - Over the years we have steadily been building out articles for members of All-American teams and now have articles for all players who have appeared on major All-American teams (consensus plus individual teams that make up consensus) going back to 1960. I recently created Jim Hagan for the 1959 article and have plans to create the last article from that year, Charlie Brown. That will leave us only 8 articles short from completing the 1950s. I was wondering if anyone would like to help create these?

* would complete the season article

Being able to get 100% of the All-Americans for the last 70 years would be a major milestone for the project. I hope that some of you will help see these to the finish. Rikster2 (talk) 14:02, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

I agree, I think it would be a solid milestone for this WP. My schedule is tight but I'll try to carve out some time for Gene Schwinger. Depending on if I have time I'll definitely sign up for another one or two. SportsGuy789 (talk) 20:31, 16 May 2020 (UTC)
Update - just finished Charlie Brown. 1959 is done (and therefore all years back to 1957). Rikster2 (talk) 18:23, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
Did McCoy and Smith. Rikster2 (talk) 21:30, 20 May 2020 (UTC)
Finished Schwinger. I'll take Temple Tucker next. SportsGuy789 (talk) 00:45, 25 May 2020 (UTC)
Matheny done Rikster2 (talk) 16:14, 27 May 2020 (UTC)
Ridley done. Rikster2 (talk) 19:34, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
You're making good progress. I promise I'll get to Tucker soon, life is preventing me from devoting a couple straight hours to concentrate on writing a good article at the moment. 71.56.244.35 (talk) 20:26, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Illinois N4C Conference

The Illinois N4C Conference page is long out of date, and some of the info seems to have been incorrect for years. I'm not sure where to begin, though. For starters, how do conference infoboxes normally count associate members? Are they included in the infobox "Members" total? How is the number of "sports fielded" in the infobox defined?

Thanks! Zagalejo^^^ 23:22, 16 May 2020 (UTC)

For now, I cleared out most of the infobox fields. Also, should this article even have "Illinois" in the title? I think it should either be at North Central Community College Conference, or simply N4C Conference. Some members are in Wisconsin. Zagalejo^^^ 01:14, 17 May 2020 (UTC)
From what I can see in the Chicago Tribune, it's been known as the North Central Community College Conference since 1970, so I moved the page there. I don't see the exact name "Illinois N4C Conference" in widespread use beyond what was in Wikipedia. Zagalejo^^^ 06:06, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

Request to add fields to Template:Infobox basketball biography

There is a request to add coaching wins/losses and win% to this template. Please go to Template talk:Infobox basketball biography#Notable High School Coaches and weigh in on the discussion. Thanks. Rikster2 (talk) 23:14, 17 May 2020 (UTC)

CBB schedule for non-US leagues

We're about to apply CBB schedules template for Philippine collegiate basketball team articles, commencing with 2019 UST Growling Tigers men's basketball team.

Considering this is a non-US team:

  • In {{CBB schedule start}} - Is it possible to add option to remove "state" in "Site city, state" column name?
  • In {{CBB schedule end}} - Also, a note "*Non-conference game" must be optional since some leagues do not have a concept of "conference" in the first place, so obviously all schedule entries are considered non-conference games.

Thanks. - McVahl (talk) 11:02, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

I'm OK if it's parameterized and the default behavior remains the same. (FWIW, the use of {{CBB schedule label}} at the Growling Tigers's page looks inconsistent with popflock.com Resource: Manual_of_Style/Accessibility/Data_tables_tutorial#Avoiding_column_headers_in_the_middle_of_the_table.)--Bagumba (talk) 12:35, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
@Bagumba: re: {{CBB schedule label}} - Almost all NCAA Division 1 team season articles are doing that for previous years, e.g 1982-83 North Carolina Tar Heels men's basketball team#Schedule and results. The template is patterned to that styling. Hmm.. so this violation is already in place for n years? and someone just noticed it only today? - McVahl (talk) 12:52, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
Hence, I prefaced with "FWIW". It does drive me up the wall IRL when it's in an Excel and it screws up sorting (and more).--Bagumba (talk) 13:13, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
  • We should 1) rename site_cityst to site_location and 2) remove anything in the template which violates the accessibility parameters (though it doesn't look like it's a template issue but rather a formatting issue?) and perhaps expand non-conference to game_type. SportingFlyer T·C 16:25, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
About accesibility violation, while unaware of it, I put up {{CBB schedule label}} in other CBB schedule-related docs. I'll undo my revisions within 24 hours. So.. what is the action on NCAA articles with this violation? Just leave it as is? I hope CBB articles could be coherent as WP:CFB articles in terms of styling. Anyway, thanks for your suggestion regarding site and game type. Seems OK to me. - McVahl (talk) 16:43, 28 May 2020 (UTC)
  • {{CBB schedule label}} has been removed from the associated docs. Actual template will be removed today. So... assuming we agreed with the suggestion, who will do the changes in {{CBB schedule start}} and {{CBB schedule end}}? Please note the templates are protected, and I have no right to make updates there. - McVahl (talk) 03:56, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
    @McVahl: If you are proficient in editing templates, you can place the code in the sandbox along with testcases, and then make a request at the respective templates to have it swapped. Otherwise, make a request at the template and see if someone volunteers to implement the changes. Or contact your favorite template editor directly. Regards.--Bagumba (talk) 12:38, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
    @Bagumba: Thanks, but I've already started working on Template:CBB game log start. The {{Game log start}} is widely used (e.g. in WP:College baseball, and in pro leagues) so I suppose this could be another solution to accesibility violation discussed above, couldn't it? This will support compatibility to the existing {{CBB schedule entry}} so that the transition is minimal (assuming there is a plan to get rid of that violation). Your comments are very welcome. - McVahl (talk) 13:50, 1 June 2020 (UTC)
    I would assume Template:CBB game log start is OK, and I'll commence with the transition of 2018 NCAA team articles to use the new template in next few days. :) - McVahl (talk) 12:11, 5 June 2020 (UTC)

Question about Template:Cbb link

Why does a link such as{{cbb link|1=1942|sex=men|team=Wyoming Cowboys|title=Wyoming}} link to 1942-43 Wyoming Cowboys men's basketball team instead of 1942-43 Wyoming Cowboys basketball team. There should be a way to include a cbb link for a team that doesn't need a men's or women's modifier? I have tried it without the gender parameter and it still includes the "men's" modifier-UCO2009bluejay (talk) 10:58, 29 May 2020 (UTC)


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