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Listverse as a source

The first sentence under the header History uses Listverse as a source. Listverse?
-Vmavanti (talk) 03:21, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

Merge proposal: White jazz

In 2013, an article titled white jazz was created, alleging that there is a separable genre of jazz music played by white musicians. At the time, I argued for the deletion of the article as a synthesis of previous research to advance an original position, a position I believed was oversimplified and unsupportable. The AfD was closed no consensus. Shortly after, an editor who participated in the AfD suggested a merge here, which was not accepted (the author of white jazz and one other editor were the only voting voices).

In the proceedings for the AfD, I noted that the interplay between jazz and race was very much a topic of scholarly conversation, and that this merited discussion either in the jazz article or in a new article (perhaps titled jazz and race). Since the AfD, a new section has been added to the jazz article, headered "Tradition and race", and which has begun the task of explaining jazz's fractured relationship with racial ideas and practices. In fact, a sentence about Leroi Jones/Amiri Baraka's views on jazz and whiteness has been added to the section. I think it makes more sense for (some of) the content and sourcing of the "white jazz" article to be Merged into this Tradition and Race section and for it to either redirect to that section or to White Jazz the novel. Chubbles (talk) 22:05, 28 May 2018 (UTC)

I read Chubbles's remarks on the Article for Deletion. What he wrote makes sense, that "white jazz musicians" was misread to mean "white jazz" instead of "white musicians". I've never heard of "white jazz". I've never heard of "black jazz".
Vmavanti (talk) 22:35, 28 May 2018 (UTC)
Merge/redirect is fine. It exists as a term (unfortunately, as it is nonsensical), but I don't see the article ever becoming more than a stub, which is an additional valid reason to merge/redirect. The Tradition and race section is welcome and a good home for a summary of what's in this stub. 'Merge with that section and redirect this to the novel' supported. EddieHugh (talk) 19:14, 13 June 2018 (UTC)
  • Having heard no opposition in almost 2 months, I went ahead with the merge. Chubbles (talk) 12:25, 12 July 2018 (UTC)

Featuring?

I would like to see more consistency when using the word "featuring". I see it used in so many places in so many different ways. I would like to discourage its lazy use and encourage its proper use. In music, it used to refer only to a person who had a solo. The song "Beat It" on Michael Jackson's album Thriller could read on the liner notes "featuring Eddie Van Halen" because he plays the electric guitar solo on it. It isn't simply that Van Halen plays on the song. He has a solo on the song. The album doesn't feature Eddie Van Halen. Michael Jackson doesn't feature Van Halen. Michael Jackson's band doesn't feature Van Halen. "Beat It" features Eddie Van Halen. You wouldn't say Miles Davis's quintet "features John Coltrane" simply because he is a member of the band. You would say, "The Miles Davis quintet comprises John Coltrane, Tony Williams," etc. or "includes", "consists of", or "with", and so on.
Vmavanti (talk) 16:00, 30 May 2018 (UTC)

First description

The opening

"Jazz is a music genre that originated in the African-American communities of New Orleans, United States, in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, and developed from roots in blues and ragtime," is a bit bland. There is another way of approaching the topic, by describing the music in objective ways, for example:
"Jazz is a music genre of intellectual and melancholy melodies and complex and often dance-able rhythms that originated in the African-American communities of New Orleans, United States,in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, and developed from roots in blues and ragtime." Or,
"Jazz is a music genre of intellectual and often melacholy motifs and improvised melodies, combined with complex and energetic rhythms, that originated in the African-American communities of New Orleans, United States.." -Inowen (nlfte) 04:32, 8 October 2018 (UTC)
What is the basis of the text you are proposing? According to whom is jazz these things? Dan56 (talk) 05:04, 8 October 2018 (UTC)

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