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Talk:Far-left Politics

ANTIFA classified terrorist

So... Apparently even though the US DHS and FBI classified ANTIFA as domestic terrorists in September of 2017, Wiki will just ignore that fact? https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/antifa-domestic-terrorists-us-security-agencies-homeland-security-fbi-a7927881.html

But the Guardian can misrepresent a Sheriff's departmenr memo and claim it's an official FBI document to the world, to be further reported by US news without substantiation, and wiki will demolish groups like Proud Boys and Patriot Prayer on heresay?

Truly a sad day for integrity and free speech. PatrioticMiguel (talk) 11:52, 24 November 2018 (UTC)

Serious concerns from a red linked editor with one day of editing under his/her belt. Carptrash (talk) 23:51, 24 November 2018 (UTC)
I would like to see a link to the actual report. In any case, it seems pretty minor compared with the topic. TFD (talk) 02:00, 25 November 2018 (UTC)
@The Four Deuces: it's discussed in Antifa (United States). It's all based on anonymous sources/documents and the story never got wide coverage even in 2017 when Politico wrote it, and so far as I know there's never been any sort of followup. Doug Weller talk 17:21, 25 November 2018 (UTC)

Recent edits by sockpuppet

This edit[1] is poorly sourced. The macleans.ca may mention "radical left" in the headline, but headlines are not reliable sources - they're generally written by specialists to grab attention and not by the author of the piece, which doesn't mention "radical left" or even "far left". The next source, fair.org, is a criticism of a Washington Post article for incorrectly labeling some Democrats as far left. Its mention of "far left issues" is to make fun of that label and point out that the issues aren't far left at all. The 3rd source is the Britannica which doesn't mention "far left" at all.

Ouch. Having written this I've realised that a lot of the article is based on one source which is looking the European political scene. I find this idea that the "radical left" is somehow part of the "far left" confusing.

The lead says:

Far-left politics are political views located further on the left of the left-right spectrum than the standard political left, particularly in terms of egalitarian[1][2][3] ideologies, and authoritarian tendencies[4].

The term has been used to describe ideologies such as: communism, anarcho-communism, left-communism, anarcho-syndicalism, Marxism-Leninism, Trotskyism, and Maoism.

I'm happy with that. Note that it says "left-communism" as many communist parties have moved closer to the center over the decades. I think I prefer an earlier version of next section which was called "Meanings of far-left" and read:

In France, the term extrême-gauche ("far left") is a generally accepted term for political groups to the left of the French Communist Party (such as Trotskyists, anarchists, Maoists and New Leftist).[1]

The German political scientist Eckhard Jesse includes anarchists, different trends of communism (communists of pro-Soviet orientation, Maoists and Trotskyists) and the Autonome among the (German) far-left[2]. Dr. Luke March of the School of Social and Political Science at the University of Edinburgh, defines the "Far-left" in Europe as those that place themselves to the left of social democracy, which they see as insufficiently left-wing. The two main sub-types are the so called "radical left", for their desire for fundamental change to the capitalist system while accepting of democracy, and the "extreme left" who are more hostile to liberal democracy and denounce any compromise with capitalism. March see four major subgroups within contemporary European far-left politics: communists, democratic socialists, populist socialists and social populists.[3] Hlou?ek and Kope?ek adds secondary characteristics to those identified by March and Mudde, such as anti-Americanism, anti-globalism, opposition to NATO and rejection of European integration[4] McKlosky and Chong surveyed a number militant, revolutionary far-left groups in the US and they argue that like far-right extremists they tend to show traits of authoritarianism.[5] McKlosky and Chong further assert that in the USA, the far-left groups they studied are deeply estranged from American society and highly critical of what they perceive as the spiritual and moral degeneration of American institutions, they view American society as dominated by conspiratorial forces that are working to defeat their ideological aims.[5]

References

  1. ^ Cosseron, Serge (ed.). Le dictionnaire de l'extrême gauche. Paris: Larousse, 2007. p. 20
  2. ^ Eckhard Jesse: Linksextremismus. In: Everhard Holtmann (Hrsg.): Politik-Lexikon. München-Wien 2003, S. 356
  3. ^ March, Luke (2008). Contemporary Far Left Parties in Europe (PDF). Berlin: Friedrich-Ebert-Stiftung. p. 3. ISBN 978-3-86872-000-6.
  4. ^ Hlou?ek, Vít (2010). Origin, ideology and transformation of political parties: East-Central and Western Europe compared. Ashgate Publishing. p. 46. ISBN 9780754678403. Unknown parameter |coauthors= ignored (|author= suggested) (help)
  5. ^ a b Herbert McClosky, Dennis Chong (1985). "Similarities and Differences Between Left-Wing and Right-Wing Radicals". British Journal of Political Science. Cambridge University Press. 15 (03): 329-363. Check date values in: |accessdate= (help); |access-date= requires |url= (help)

Doug Weller talk 16:21, 19 December 2018 (UTC)


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